INTERVIEW WITH GLOBAL EQUITY CIO ADAM GROSSMAN
An annual tradition in Riverfront’s yearly Outlook is to publish wide-ranging and candid interviews with our key portfolio decision makers, and 2020 was no exception. Today, we are featuring the transcript of an interview recently conducted with Global Equity CIO Adam Grossman for the Outlook about what to expect in equity markets in the coming year. Chief Investment Strategist Chris Konstantinos is playing moderator here (and is frankly relieved to be asking these hard questions instead of having to answer them).
Q: Right now, the stock market is at all-time highs, but the bond market is also close to highs…this seems like stock and bond investors have opposite ideas about the future. Are these two views mutually exclusive and how do you see them resolving?
We don’t think they are mutually exclusive. The compensation a stock holder receives for taking on the extra short-term volatility of the stock market (known as the ‘equity risk premium’) played a role in 2019. Additionally, lower interest rates make stocks more attractive compared to bonds.
In the second half of 2018 as the Fed raised interest rates, the stock market fell as investors started to worry about recession. 2019 was a reversal of those fears as the slowdown investors were fearing materialized, forcing the Fed to lower interest rates three times. Lower short-term interest rates also brought longer term bond yields down, allowing both markets to do well in tandem. In addition, lower bond yields sent lower-volatility, higher dividend yielding “stocks that look like bonds” to a premium, alongside Growth stocks that have demonstrated an ability to grow in a low economic growth environment. In contrast, two common characteristics – Value and smaller size (both implicit proxies for optimism), were driven to multi-decade relative lows.
Looking out 3-5 years, we are factoring in a higher probability of a recession. We think this will be preceded by a pick-up in global growth, a return to rising interest rates, and outperformance of Value and small-caps relative to defensive equities.
Q: We are now in the longest single economic expansion in US history, and a decade into one of the most powerful equity bull markets. How do you justify further gains in the equity market from today’s starting point?
Stock returns are ultimately a function of two things: earnings growth and the valuation ‘multiple’ of those earnings that investors are willing to pay. Our view is that earnings are driven by economic momentum and corporate sentiment while multiples are driven by investor sentiment and the relative attractiveness of lower risk alternatives like bonds. In terms of sentiment, the lack of attractive yielding alternatives in the bond world, as can be seen in the chart (below), means that stock multiples may stay elevated for longer than would typically be expected – a benefit to the longevity of this bull market.
For certain sectors and themes, both earnings growth and/or further multiple expansion are possible in this cycle. But if and how this plays out differs depending on the sector – some areas are better set up for both multiple expansion and earnings growth than others, in our opinion.
For instance, cyclical US stocks and international stocks -both of which have been broadly left behind in the massive US Growth-stock rally of the past decade would benefit in many ways from broad economic expansion. For example, outside the US a combination of reforms, less trade friction, and accommodative fiscal and monetary policy that causes a bottoming of international economies could create a virtuous cycle of both sustained earnings recovery and improved sentiment over the next year or two.
There is also a subset of ‘stable growth’ companies that can continue to exhibit outsized revenue and earnings growth. These are increasingly found in areas such as technology, certain subsectors of healthcare, logistics, and defense. However, we believe further multiple expansion for traditional Growth and lower volatility stocks in general will be difficult going forward.
Given the maturity of both the global economy and market cycle, we will be monitoring and adjusting through the year for signs of a recession.
Q: Speaking of Value versus Growth…the long-term underperformance of Value versus Growth and the recent rally in Value assets has a lot of investors talking. Given your view that Value will shine at some point in 2020, how might you position portfolios?
Most measures of Value that we track are at multidecade lows relative to Growth. So, our strategy here is to slowly rotate from our Growth-oriented portfolio themes into Value-oriented themes as we see “green shoots” of price and economic momentum.
As we see momentum eventually return to the Value space, we are lucky to have a large pond to fish from, between US Value-oriented companies and most international stocks. We think it will pay off for investors to be patient with this theme and not to over-allocate too early.
We are attracted to the financial sector by the growing gap between short and long-term interest rates, which improve bank profit margins and stimulate lending activity. Like other cyclicals, we believe financials will benefit from a combination of fewer policy shocks and a bottoming of global economic data. Over the long-run, an improved economic backdrop could eventually bring long-term interest rates above zero across the world, which would also help earnings for the beleaguered financial sector.
Q: Technology has been a standout now for many years running…how do you think about the opportunities and risks in this space?
Let’s start with the opportunity…. US Technology has been a favorite sector of mine over the last few years. We are believers in the competitive advantage that a data monopoly gives some of the largest tech companies, and we see tremendous potential in cloud-based software companies. We believe that in an environment of low interest rates, the wind is at the backs of all US corporations, should sentiment improve, and a myriad of technology companies will be there with solutions to help those firms manage their growth, profiting alongside every partnership they make. From a risk standpoint, regulation of the largest tech companies appears to be creeping closer. A few years ago, fears of anti-trust or some other significant regulation seemed very far off. The events of the past few years on the political side have shined a spotlight on privacy issues and pushed government oversight to the forefront.
So, with two conflicting signals, our position continues to be that we will favor technology stocks as long as economic and price momentum remain aligned, as they are today.
Q: What are some of your highest conviction positions in the US side of the portfolio? Why?
In the Riverfront portfolios, we have been trying to focus on companies and industries that possess a combination of what we believe to be three very important characteristics for the current economic backdrop:
SECULAR TOP-LINE GROWTH: Not surprisingly, in a low GDP growth environment, investors seek out companies and industries that can demonstrate consistent revenue (top-line) growth.
EFFICIENT AND PRUDENT USE OF DEBT: One of the benefits of low interest rates is that debt costs are low. Well-run companies can use debt to grow earnings by reinvesting in their business or via stock repurchase. We favor companies that have the ability and willingness to do both.
ABILITY TO “GET PAID TO WAIT”: In a low-interest rate environment, investors often look to dividends as a way to replace the lack of returns available in bonds or at the bank. We believe companies that pay dividends out of steadily growing free cash flow will continue to be outperformers in a “low and slow” growth environment. Stable cash flow can often be found in businesses with established brands whose goods are less linked to broad economic trends.
We are increasingly finding these traits in areas such as US financials, software and services, certain healthcare niches, consumer-oriented logistics companies, defense contractors, and other companies who can consistently grow cash flow to redistribute back to shareholders in the form of growing dividends.
Q: What about on a regional basis? Which countries or international themes do you think have meaningful upside?
Japan, Germany, and broad Emerging Markets are the three areas we see as having the most meaningful potential upside. We think growth coming out of China would be the common catalyst, and Japan is already well positioned for a pickup in growth, in our view. Germany and Emerging are in more of “show me” state, where we think we need to see stronger evidence of a turn, but we think that if data does improve in 2020, the degree of undervaluation in these areas will reward investors that take the risk.
Q: How does your view on the US dollar factor into your portfolio positioning?
Our view is that the Dollar is at a secular high. We believe some recovery in non-US economic data could be the first catalyst in a multi-year retreat for the dollar. Tactically we are positioned against this view through our underweight in Europe.
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