An ETF Trend-Following Plan For All Seasons

July 09, 2008 at 8:00 am by Tom Lydon      Bookmark and Share

It’s hard to believe that the S&P 500 Index has been flatter than a pancake for the past nine years. It’s had its ups and downs, but when you connect the dots, it went virtually nowhere.

It’s even harder for index investors who relied on this large-cap benchmark to grow their retirement savings. To think, a portfolio with $100,000 allocated to the S&P 500 hardly budged at all. That’s a lot of wasted time and missed opportunity.

That’s why we advocate following trends and actively managing our portfolios using exchange traded funds (ETFs). Whether the broad market travels sideways or falls, a trend is always in the making.

Actually, the term “sideways market” is somewhat misleading. There’s plenty of market activity, but it’s in the form of a sharp downward move, and then a slow recovery period back to its original price level. Only the best and luckiest of timers can get in at the lows and exit at the highs. Otherwise, it can be a very frustrating experience, even for seasoned investors.

Surviving the Dry Season

A quick review of history shows that there have been dry spells in the market lasting 10 years or more. For example, an investment in stocks making up the S&P 500 Index during the periods from 1929 through 1942 (13 years) and 1966 through 1982 (16 years) would have amounted to no more than a break-even investment.

In this most recent nine-year sideways move, the S&P 500 has fallen in value an average of 0.37% per year, a far cry from the stock market’s historical average annual returns of 10% to 12%.

Many financial advisors focus on your timeframe for growth, but it doesn’t matter if you have five years or 25 years left until retirement. You can’t afford to let your investments sit idle for nine years. Worse yet, an idle investment doesn’t take advantage of the beauty of compounded growth.

No matter what the cause, the market’s recent non-action underscores the inherent danger of the buy-and-hold strategy. Sure, the markets will likely rebound eventually, but that will be of little consolation to investors who need their money now for retirement, or who may have bailed out of the markets at or near the bottom.

The volatile jerks during a sideways market often make investors believe that a market rally has taken hold during highs, only to experience disappointment when yet another sharp downturn occurs. Some who can’t stand the fluctuations get out of the market and sit on the sidelines, often without any plan for how to get back into the market later on.

Countering Volatility With ETFs

So what can an investor do? Well, an ETF investor who follows the trends and sticks to a sell discipline has a whole bunch of options.

We take advantage of trends that have developed in asset classes, sectors and global regions. Increasing allocation to these areas work well as long as the trend remains intact.

With the growing list of available ETFs and ever-changing trends, we are convinced more than ever that a disciplined investment strategy is required to enhance portfolio returns, diversify and reduce downside risk.

Your strategy, like ours, should be to stick to a plan and not let emotions get involved. Once you start thinking with your heart or gut, it can be hard to kick-start your logic. Even neutralizing emotions will serve any trader well.

You need to know what to buy, when to buy and, as importantly, when to sell.

Three Main Rules

Here are three rules that should help keep most ETF investors out of trouble:

  1. Maintain an 8% stop-loss on your ETFs.
  2. Keep an eye on the trend. If your ETF declines below its 50-day average, that’s not a good sign. If the same ETF declines below its 200-day average, sell.
  3. Don’t chase markets that are too hot. The last time many world markets and industry groups collectively hit new highs was in 2000. You know what happened then – the boom went bust. Keep your emotions in check.

The Business of Buying and Selling

The first, and perhaps most important screening process for ETFs is knowing the 200-day moving average of each candidate—and where it stands in relation to it. Trend lines are so key that you should only invest in ETFs trading above their 200-day moving averages. You can find this information by clicking on the “basic technical analysis” in the sidebar of any fund information page at finance.yahoo.com.

We look for uptrends, and then examine those trends using fundamental analysis. Once a position is entered, we stay in the investment until the trend turns negative, declining below its trend line.

In some cases, where trends have moved steeply to the upside, the corresponding ETF may be more than 10% above its moving average. In those cases, we impose an 8% stop-loss. If you buy an ETF trading 15% above its 200-day moving average, it’s best to sell if it drops 8% from a recent high. That way, you preserve as much profit as you can.

You must remember that over time, the stock market and individual securities follow general trends and these trends are identifiable. The idea is that you want to be more fully invested in stocks when the market is above its long-term trend line (200-day moving average). And you want to be safely positioned when the market is trending downward.

Below is a chart of the S&P 500 (SPY) with its 200-day moving average. You can see that it traded above that mark between 1995-mid-2000, at which point the bear market replaced the bull market. The S&P 500 stayed below its 200-day moving average and kept us out of the market from mid-2000 to mid-2003, then climbed back above from mid-2003 to mid-2004.

How often we pull the trigger on building or unwinding a position all depends on the ETF and where that ETF lies in relationship to its own moving average and its performance off the high.

Looking at the iShares FTSE/Xinhua 25 (FXI) chart, for example, if an investor bought in at the beginning of September 2007, they should have sold in the beginning of November 2007 when the ETF fell 8% off of its high. This would have meant a gain of about 25% and would have saved the position from falling further, as it is now about 40% off of its high. By following a sell discipline, one could protect more of the gain and avoid greater losses.

Resolve To Protect and Profit

Momentum can certainly turn on a dime. Just look at the health care sector in 1991 as an example. It was up 50% for that year, but the following year it was down 19%.

Whatever trend you’re following, just be sure to take a disciplined approach and remember to follow through with your strategy.

  • Resolve to stick to your discipline. We know the past year has been rocky, and it is hard not to get emotional. We can’t predict the future, so we don’t know what’s in store for the rest of 2008. One way to avoid pulling every last hair out of your head in frustration over the uncertainty is to have a plan and adhere to it no matter what.
  • Resolve to pay attention to the news. Political upheaval, major weather events and leadership changes are among the things that can indirectly affect your holdings. Don’t just isolate yourself to the business section.
  • Resolve to pay attention to your investments. Are you coming up on a major life change, such as having children or entering the homestretch before retirement? Look at your portfolio and make sure it’s still working for you.
  • Resolve not to invest in something simply because it’s “hot.” That’s the best way to get burned. Invest because it fits your needs, interests and your portfolio.

Exiting An ETF…Safely and Profitably

If an ETF falls below its 200-day moving average, or if it drops 8% off its high without going below its 200-day average, sell it. It’s a rigorous discipline and is applied to all asset classes, sectors and global regions where there is ETF representation. It’s clear-cut, and you know exactly what your risk is.

However, if you don’t have an exit strategy, then your risk tolerance may not be as well-defined. It takes a high tolerance and lots of patience to suffer 20% or more in losses that some sectors and regions have experienced a few times over the last several years.

While we are clear proponents of having an exit strategy, we understand that there can be some confusion when certain ETFs drop quickly and then climb sharply. There’s a chance you might have sold a position that declined further after you sold it but then rebounded.

In this case, don’t beat yourself up over lost opportunity. Just stick to your plan, have no regrets, never look back and keep moving forward.

When this happens, remember that you can treat the cash you have from previously selling an ETF as a “free agent.” This means that there’s no rule that says you must buy back the same ETF you sold if it’s performing well now. Shop around; see where new trends are developing. There might be a different ETF that’s even better for your portfolio now.

Sharp market movements and subsequent ETF declines can unsettle many investors. However, with an exit strategy and specific stop-loss points, the drops can be less stressful for you as it prevents small losses from turning into there-goes-my-house losses.

There have always been and will always be bubbles, and the only sure way you can protect yourself is to have an exit strategy always at the ready.

If an ETF you’re holding – whether it’s commodities or something else – drops below its trend line or falls 8% off its high, let it go, no questions asked.

A lesser stop-loss, such as 5%, could be too low since markets often have a 3% to 5% correction before they move on and hit new highs. If your stop loss is too low, for example, at 3%, you’re going to be buying and selling more frequently, racking up fees in the process.

Ultimately, that eats up your returns. You also won’t be able to fully take advantage of trends. Instead, you’ll be dealing with constant short-lived whipsaws. Sometimes there are volatile days in the middle of an overall uptrend, and it’s in your best interest to ride those out.

On the other hand, having a sell point that’s too high can also hurt you. Setting your sell point at 30% could mean that you lose a significant portion of money before you’re out. It also has you sitting in areas that might not be performing so well and missing out on areas that are trending up.

What If You Missed The Safety Boat?

What should you do if you missed the 8% drop, and you’re down much further than that? Missing the sell point creates the conundrum above. That’s when I recommend the following:

  • Sell 1/3 of your equity holdings and focus on the most aggressive positions—those that might be down 20-30% and trading 10-15% below their 200-day moving averages.
  • If those holdings decline by another 5-7%, consider selling another third.
  • Keep an eye on the 200-day average of these positions. As the trend lines continue to decline, there will be an excellent buying opportunity in the future when the markets eventually rebound.

Letting Go of a Winner Can Be Hard

It can be difficult to let go of a mover and shaker you’ve always had a soft spot for, but if you want to protect your money, you must. It’s like your parents always said when they were grounding you every other week: “This hurts me more than it hurts you.” But sometimes it has to be done for everyone’s good.

There are no guarantees that when you let a fund go, it’s not going to turn around and deliver the numbers again. But that doesn’t mean it won’t, either. It’s exactly why you have to remain as stoic as possible and stick to the plan and rationalize nothing.

What if you follow your exit strategy, and the ETFs you sell end up rebounding? Try this:

  • Treat the newly available cash as “free agent” funds. Just because you sold an ETF doesn’t mean you’re obligated to buy it back when it rebounds.
  • Look for ETFs that are above or rising above their trend lines.
  • Look for ETFs with positive, relative strength. When markets rebound off a low, it’s usually those with the greatest momentum that enjoy sustained uptrends.

As you manage your own portfolio, you might feel a need to always have a set amount of money designated to a certain investment (i.e. small-cap, China or commodity). If this is the case, then the cash can be held until that certain investment goes above its 200-day moving average or gains 5% from its recent low.

With the recent volatility in the markets, we have seen some price swings in ETFs. One shouldn’t worry about the daily ETF price movement; having an investment plan is the priority. When there is a discipline in place, it can help guide investors through the volatile times.

If you’ve got nervous hands as your ETFs swing up one day and down the next, the best thing you could do is to just sit on them.

Removing the emotions from your investing is one of the smartest things you can do.
And, as we’ve said, having a strategy and removing your feelings from your money is especially timely, considering the ups and downs can make you feel sick.

The Anatomy of a Bursting Bubble—Here and Abroad

Investors and economists often use history as gauge for what might happen today and in the future. Could we have studied the onset of a 14-year bear market in Japan to predict the dot-com crash and subsequent bear in the U.S.? And, what do both events say about today’s economy and markets?

Let’s take a look back.

In the 1980s, outsiders perceived Japan as a utopia because its people had the highest quality of life and longest life expectancy. In addition, Japan was the world’s largest creditor and had the highest GDP per capita. Many Americans feared that Japanese-made robots would eliminate their jobs. With the economy booming and the stock market climbing, skyscrapers filled the Tokyo and Osaka skies, causing real estate prices to skyrocket as well.

Between 1986 and 1988, the price of commercial land in greater Tokyo doubled. Real estate prices soared so much that Tokyo alone was worth more than the United States. Between 1955 and 1990, land prices in Japan appreciated by 70 times and stocks increased 100 times over. Large-scale stock speculation led to worldwide mania. Investors all over the world clamored for Japanese shares. These euphoric investors believed in a perpetual bull market. Luxury goods were purchased in large numbers by the newly wealthy.

Unfortunately, all excessively good things must end. To cool the inflated economy, the Japanese government raised rates. Within months, the Nikkei stock index crashed by more than 30,000 points. The Nikkei crashed this far because its value was inflated on false hopes and hype, not solid financials. Japanese housing prices plummeted for 14 straight years. At its height, the Nikkei stood at 40,000. The Nikkei sank until its low of 8,000 in 2003.

Dot-com Déjà vu

Back at home, we experienced a similar crash, but one not nearly as lengthy or devastating as that of Japan’s: the dot-com crash, which began on March 11, 2000 and lasted until Oct. 9, 2002. From peak to valley, the Nasdaq lost 78% of its value as it fell from 5046.86 to 1114.11.

The U.S. military created the Internet decades before “dot-com” became a household word. Vastly underestimating how much people would want to be online, it began to catch on in 1995 with an estimated 18 million users. Soon, speculators were barely able to control their excitement over this new economy. Today, 210 million people in China-alone go online, 50 million users shy of the United States.

The first holes in this bubble came from the companies themselves: Many reported huge losses and some folded outright within months of their offering. In 1999, there were 457 IPOs, most of which were Internet- and technology-related. Of those 457 IPOs, 117 doubled in price on the first day of trading. In 2001, the number of IPOs shrank to 76, and none of them doubled on the first day of trading.

Many argue that the dot-com boom and bust was a case of too much too fast. Companies unable to decide on their corporate creed were given millions of dollars and told to grow to Microsoft size by tomorrow.

Unfortunately, economic and “unanticipated” risks will always be there. Investors hate uncertainty, and since we can’t always identify them in advance or eliminate them, there will be times when they affect the investment markets negatively.

If you follow a buy-and-hold strategy, you leave your portfolio vulnerable to any number of unknowns: oil spikes to $200/barrel, the Middle East erupts into war, The Fed makes a drastic move with interest rates. With an exit strategy, you’re prepared to cut losses or pocket profits when events send the markets lower.

Risks Without Reward

During the 1990s, many investors believed that the stock markets would produce returns of 20% (or more) per year indefinitely, which was a part of the herd mentality back then. Same goes for the late 1970s and early ’80s, when investors thought bank certificates of deposit and fixed annuities would always have double-digit yields—two assumptions that were clearly wrong.

If your expectations for portfolio returns are too high, there is a very good chance your financial goals will not be met. And more importantly, this can lead to saving too little money to meet your retirement goals. Unfortunately, this can also lead to investing in securities and strategies that are far too risky in order to try to “turbo-charge” the returns.

On the flip side, there are investors who invest too conservatively and risk losing purchasing power to inflation. Investing too conservatively can also raise the odds of not meeting investment goals, as well as the risk of outliving your assets.

So, we find ourselves at another crossroads in the markets. Real estate exuberance, based on inflated prices, has gone sour along with values; financial institutions have turned from princes to frogs in a matter of months; consumer debt is at all-time highs, and investors grow increasingly frustrated with the lack of opportunities the current stock markets offer.

But investors who combine the flexibility, diversity and ease-of-use of ETFs with a disciplined buy and sell plan don’t have to fret about all the outside influences on the markets. You can turn a deaf ear to financial hype and keep emotions out of the investing equation.

That’s because the simple, technical indicator—the 200-day moving average—tells us precisely when to buy and when to sell. Even when it seems like the entire market is down, you can count on there being a trend-bucking ETF ripe for the picking.

What the Opportunities Look Like

The S&P 500 and Dow have been trading below their 200-day moving averages for all or most of the year. Meanwhile, gold, oil, steel, and agriculture ETFs have traded above their respective 200-day marks and offered investment opportunities in 2008.

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  • Nice writing. You are on my RSS reader now so I can read more from you down the road.

    Allen Taylor
  • Jim Bowser
    Tom,

    A really excellent and educational article.

    I have been following the 200 MA warning signal since 2003 since being hit hard in the DOT.COM crash. However, I was doing so at the S&P 500 macro level and not extending it down to ETF products as in sectors, classes, country, regions and other asset classes such as commodities.

    Perhaps most importantly, I have not used the trend following methodlogy (long or Short) to achieve growth.

    Do you provide a paid subscripition with specific recommendations and updates.

    Thanks again for the article.

    Jim




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  • Tom Lydon
    Hi Jim,

    The trend-following strategy works great with ETFs across all the classes! If you apply the same rules to them, you'll find that it works.

    We don't currently provide a paid subscription, but you're welcome to sign up for our free daily newsletter. In addition, be sure to check our site for regular updates on trends and areas that are moving, as well as those that have slowed down.
  • mohamed sadaka
    Very informative article! I am glad I came across it... I hear a lot about the 50 days moving average, being more indicative of future trends vs the 200 day MA and being more relevant to take a position! Can you elaborate on that?

    Thanks again for the great article!

    Mohamed Sadaka
  • Tom Lydon
    Mohamed,

    If you choose to use the 50-day moving average, it will mean getting in and out on a more frequent basis, which could cut into your returns over time. It also might have you trading more frequently when the market whipsaws, as it has been lately. The 200-dma allows you to stay in when the trend is moving up and get out in time to protect any gains.
  • Michael M.
    Very informative and follows the KISS principle which I like.

    Are there any web sites that would allow us to screen for ETF's that are crossing the 200 day Moving Average or do those tools require a subscription?

    Thank you

    Mike M
  • Tom Lydon
    Michael,

    Viewing our monthly report is one way to get an idea of which ETFs are crossing their 200-day moving averages (although this list does not have all the ETFs available). http://www.etftrends.com/files/06-30-08ETFRepor...

    We're not aware of any sites that currently screen for the 200-day moving average at the moment, but if you need information on specific funds, Yahoo Finance has some good charting tools.
  • rob
    try www. etfport.com
    sign up for the newsletter it list all etfs above the 200 ma
  • rusty
    Hi All,
    I have just finished "Trend Following" by
    Michael W. Covel--Amazon $12.95 and it was a real eye opener. After reading this book I tried something. I used a 7 day moving Avg. and a 30 day mov.avg. on ETF QQQQ for 12 months paper trading (June 2007 to July 2008). When 7 day ma. went up over 30 day I went long, when 7 day ma. went down below 30 day I went to QID=2Xshort QQQQ. At the end of a year (paper trading) starting with $10,000.00 I finished with $19,200.00. Not bad for a see-saw market. This worked so good I'm going to see what other 2X up and down ETF's I can use with this moving average. The moving averages may have to be changed, but I think the concept is a keeper.

    Try this for yourself-it works.
    Rusty
  • IrwinS
    As others have said a very informative article. It's not often to get so much detailed info for free on a website. I noticed in the Yahoo charts the EMA is used instead of the SMA. Is there a difference using the EMA instead of the SMA?

    Thanks.
    Irwin
  • Tom Lydon
    Hi Irwin,

    Here's a story we wrote in April talking about the differences between the two types of moving averages:

    http://www.etftrends.com/2008/04/moving-averag-...
  • IrwinS
    Hi Tom,

    Thanks for your reply. You're special. Not many writers give as much information as you do and reply to comments on their website. I'll have to buy your book.

    One more question. Is there any difference between the 200 day MA and the 40 week MA?
  • Tom Lydon
    Anytime, Irwin! We're here to educate people who want to learn more about ETFs and how to use them.

    Overall, a 200 DMA would just be slightly more sensitive to movements than a 40-week moving average, but they're both less sensitive to wild market fluctuations than, say, a 50 DMA or less.

    We like the 200 DMA because it gives us a chance to capitalize on trends while they're occurring, but it's not so sensitive that we're in and out on every hiccup the market experiences.
  • DennisP
    Great article - should have read this 3 weeks ago ;-). Question -
    does double the same rules apply (e.g. sell on 16% drop) for 2x ETFs such as the QLD?
    Thanks,
    DennisP
  • Tom Lydon
    Hi Dennis,

    The same rules apply across the board - 8% off the high or dropping below the 200 DMA. The "double" doesn't apply here!
  • Charles
    Great article. I got on the phone and asked Morningstar if I could search the ETF database for all issues at or above their 200 day ma. They could not. Do you have a source? I'd like to start watching them when they cross above the 55 day and then buy them above the 200 day.
  • Tom Lydon
    Hi Charles,

    At the moment, there's not one place where all of that information can be found. We're working on some additions of our own to this site, so stay tuned!
  • Grace
    Great article. For a rollover IRA account, how you recommend to apply the rules while maintain the asset allocations?
  • Tom Lydon
    Hi Grace,

    Investors need to make decisions on whether they follow a buy/hold asset allocation strategy (through up and down markets) or more dynamic strategies like the one we follow and suggest in this article.

    Buy and hold with ETFs works fine over time, as long as your emotions remain in check. However, if you have the time and discipline, trend following can be more rewarding.
  • L.vinson
    I enjoy very much your articles
    For example your advice on when to sell:
    when drops 8% from its high or goes below its 200 daily average.

    Then buy again when it goes above the 200 daily average
    Question:
    If it falls 8% from its high,,but does NOT fall below its 200 daily average, and I sell, when do I buy again?
  • Tom Lydon
    L.vinson,

    Whichever comes first - 8% off the high OR it falls below the 200-day moving average - that's the stop-loss point. If the fund continues to head lower, you'll know you got out in time and protected yourself.

    If it turns around again, there's no rule stating that you have to get back in to the same area that you just left. You can treat the cash as a free agent and get into another sector.
  • l.Vinson
    Thank you for the answer to my previous message. However, from your answer it appears that I did not make my question clear.
    Question: If an ETF t falls 8% from its high, but does NOT fall below its 200 daily average, and I sell, and it then it starts to rise again, at what point would you consider it attractive enough to buy again?
  • Tom Lydon
    L.Vinson,

    A good rule of thumb if you want to get back in is to wait until a fund moves 50% above its recent low. For example, if you sell at 8% off the high, it drops another 2%, when it moves back up 5% is the entry point.
  • L.vinson
    Thank you again for the answer to my question about when to sell and buy again
    Below your reply, I have put an example, and I would like to know if it is a correct Use of your rule. of thumb
    "A good rule of thumb if you want to get back in is to wait until a fund moves 50% above its recent low. For example, if you sell at 8% off the high, it drops another 2%, when it moves back up 5% is the entry point".
    Stock high 100
    8% drop is down to 92
    then it drops another 2% from its high to 90
    then it rises 5% ( of 90 ?) to 94.5
    so buy again
  • Tom Lydon
    L.vinson,

    When it moves back up 50% above what it lost between the recent high and the recent low, it can be considered for buying.

    Hope this helps!
  • Carolyn
    Can you clarify selling when an ETF drops 8% off the high - is "the high" the price I paid for it, or a different number? Thanks for the clarification!
  • Tom Lydon
    Carolyn,

    The "high" refers to the last high it hit, whether you bought it at the high, or if it high came at some point just before or after that.
  • Harry
    Tom,

    This is a great article! I am a long time reader of your web site.

    I read from a book that recommends to look at the Dual Moving Average Crossover(DMAC), what do you think about this strategy? It looks like a way to reduce whipsaw, and it gives clear signals, but may be too late and miss the boat?

    DMAC said to buy when 50 day MA crosses above 200DMA, see when the opposite happens.

    I am seriously considering to implement this strategy.

    Any comment you have on this is much appreciated.

    Harry
  • Harry
    sorry, my previous sentence should read:

    DMAC said to buy when 50 day MA crosses above 200DMA, sell when the opposite happens.
  • Anand
    Nice article Tom.
    What about phases when markets are moving down and are below 200 Day MA. almost all stocks are quoting lower than 200day ma. Any guindance on how to identify the bottow for a particular stock?

    regds
    Anand.
  • Tom Lydon
    Hi Anand,

    Trying to call the bottom can be challenging and expensive, which is why we choose to focus only on those areas on a clear uptrend. Right now, since so few areas are above their trend lines, we're choosing to wait it out until they move up again.
  • Harry
    # Harry Says:
    October 17th, 2008 at 5:50 am

    Tom,

    This is a great article! I am a long time reader of your web site.

    I read from a book that recommends to look at the Dual Moving Average Crossover(DMAC), what do you think about this strategy? It looks like a way to reduce whipsaw, and it gives clear signals, but may be too late and miss the boat?

    DMAC said to buy when 50 day MA crosses above 200DMA, sell when the opposite happens.

    I am seriously considering to implement this strategy.

    Any comment you have on this is much appreciated.

    Harry
  • Tom Lydon
    Great question, Harry.

    This system will work will, too (avoids long-term downtrends while participating in uptrends). The key is to select one discipline and stick with it in all markets.
  • PC
    Hello Tom.
    Thanks for a great article. We plan to follow your method from now on. But, what do you suggest for right now? Our portfolio is down to almost half its value and everything seems to be trading below the trend line (except for short ETFs). Do you recommend: (a) Liquidating the porfolio and waiting for things to start rising? (b) Hanging in there and adjusting the portfolio when something starts to move upwards? (c) Liquidating the portfolio and investing in short ETFs, gradually transferring to others as the market turns?
    Would love your advice - my husband and I disagree and need someone to resolve the dispute.
    PC.
  • Andrew
    Tom,
    I'm a new visitor to your site. I've been using the 200 SMA trend lines for buy and sell for quite awhile now, and I've been sitting on cash. The question I have is: when can i get back in some of my positions? Example: SPY is one core holding and I've been out virutally all year. It's now at 100 and the 200 SMA line is around 130. That means SPY will need a 30% jump before I buy again. It seems I'll miss out on some gains if it keeps moving up. I use 7 different asset classes (ETFs only) and treat each one individually- buying and selling using the 200 day. Do you utilize any other "buy" signals other than waiting until the price exceeds the 200 day SMA that may trigger a buy into say SPY, in order to capture any upward movements?
    Thanks!
  • Tom Lydon
    Hi Andrew,

    We address this very issue in this post. I hope this helps!

    http://www.etftrends.com/2008/10/lets-get-ready...
  • Jim
    I've found you can improve the 200 DMA rule to avoid a lot of buying and selling when the price hovers around the average. Such "whipsawing" can be mostly avoided as follows, for those who are familiar with the technical indicator called MACD. Using a MACD(12,26,9) indicator, buy when the ETF price has moved above the 200 dma AND the MACD is above its 9-day moving average. Sell when the price is below its 200 dma AND the MACD is below its 9-day moving average. I've found this eliminates about 75% of the needless back-and-forth trades when prices are idleing along the 200 dma.
  • Erwin
    What would you do now if you are 30-40% down on your ETFs since 1/1/2008?
  • Tom Lydon
    Thanks for the comment, Jim.

    Erwin,
    If you bought ETFs at the beginning of the year without setting an exit strategy, all is not lost. I’d suggest selling a third of your holdings now. This would help ease the pain if the market continues to decline but also leave most invested if the market rebounds. If the market declines another 5% from here, sell another third. This will continue to help to stop the bleeding. This strategy also helps ease the emotional pounding you may have been taking. Most importantly, when general trends return above their 200-day averages, you should consider re-entering the market.
  • Erwin
    Tom,
    Thank you, Erwin
  • Tom Lydon
    PC, you can find the answer to your question in a post we wrote based on it:
    http://www.etftrends.com/2008/10/the-64k-questi...
  • Terry
    Great article! Does the same trend strategy apply to the ETFs that short the market or sectors, such as SH?

    Thanks for your reply.
  • Tom Lydon
    Terry,

    Yes, this strategy can be applied to any type of ETF. Just be aware of the heightened volatility in short funds and make sure you can stand it!
  • Bert Nelin
    Worden Brothers' Telechart will sort ETFs and stocks according to
    how much they trade above a 200 and 50 day average. This will
    show which trend the fastest.

    Bert
  • Murali Narayanan
    Tom:

    very interesting. you state that we shouldnt worry about daily movements. with the current volatality, i can see some ETFs going down 8% in 2 days but recover a lot of the losses in subsequent few days. so, do u look at the numbers weekly?
  • Tom Lydon
    Hi Murali,

    We look at the numbers every single day, and we also track performance over longer periods of time (one week, two weeks, one month and so on). Thanks for your comment.
  • Hi Tom, I just wanted to thank you for putting this information on the web for free. I heard you on Andrew Horowitz's podcast recently - good work! I have been spending hours every week for the past few months studying trading systems and the one conclusion I've come to is that for the long term, 'lazy' or 'weekend' investor, an easy to follow trend system can be very easy to implement and improve risk adjusted returns. Mebane Faber of Cambria Investments has published an excellent article on the topic that I would recommend to your readers. Your readers should also carefully study asset allocation and consider using alternative asset ETFs (commodity ETFs such as DBC or LSC) when implementing a trend strategy. Have you posted any articles relating to asset allocation?

    One question: Would it make sense for the follower of the system you propose to place 8% trailing stop losses immediately upon purchasing a stock as opposed to monitoring the highs? The risk would be that it would drop up to 8% below the 200 day EMA before exiting.
  • One further suggestion/comment and I realize I may be getting greedy here: Your Monthly ETF reports are great! However, is it in the cards for your site to post these reports somewhere on the site on a weekly basis? Also, it would be great if we could sort the list by the different headers. Just a suggestion! Thanks again -
  • Tom Lydon
    Hi Scott,

    You can find all the information on a daily basis using our ETF Analyzer:
    http://www.etftrends.com/etf-tools/etf-analyzer/

    Even better, all the categories are sortable!
  • Doug
    Tom,
    I have a friend who looks for ETFs that are trending up and then looks at all the stocks in the ETF. He then buys the strongest stock in the group. He says that he is then in the strongest of the strong. It seems to work well for him. What do you think of this strategy?
    Thanks for the input.
  • Thanks for the link - however, I noticed that some of the percentages are off on the list. For example, WIP is trading well below the 200 day EMA, yet the list shows the 200 day as positive. I'm assuming the percentage under each moving average is the percentage the issue is trading above/below the moving average? If so, some of the numbers don't appear to match. Or maybe I'm missing something??
  • Tom Lydon
    Hi Doug,

    We religiously adhere to the 200-day moving average strategy, and prefer ETFs over stock-picking, because they generally offer greater diversity and lower risk.
  • Tom Lydon
    Hi Scott,

    Yes, the moving averages are percentages that are trading above or below.

    Thank you for alerting us to this problem with WIP! We’ll have that fixed.
  • Tony
    Hi Tom,

    I happened to find your site by chance and it is very informative. One question I do have is when we see the ETF moving above the 200ema how long should we wait before we buy in. I know sometimes they may go above the 200ema but then spike down and the overall trend is down. Should we wait and if it goes up 5% then we know it is a buy?

    Thanks
  • Tom Lydon
    Hi Tony,

    When a fund is above its 200-day moving average, it's ready for consideration for a buy. If it makes you feel more comfortable, give yourself a 3% cushion.
  • Tony
    Thank you.
  • Carol Wright
    Tom,
    Using your methodology, how frequently do you find you need to sell your position? If frequent, how do you manage tax consequences?
    Would greatly appreciate your insight.
    Carol
  • Tom Lydon
    Hi Carol,

    Thanks for your comment. There's no set timeframe for how often we trade. Sometimes once a position is entered, it turns around and drops below the 200-day, so we need to sell. Other times, a position is entered and it will continue heading north, in which case we hold on until it declines below the 200-day or 8% off the recent high.
  • Louis
    I really enjoy your website and think your strategy makes a lot of sense. In doing some random sampling of ETFs, however, it appeared to me that buying when an ETF moves above its 100-day moving average (usually sooner than you suggest) and selling after it drops 8% off its recent high or below its 200 day MVA (as you suggest) would actually generate higher returns (at least with the various ETFs I sampled). Any thoughts about that approach as a general proposition?
  • Thanks Louis. You might have found that in the last few months that this may have worked but over the long-term I think you'll find the straight 200-day average will work better. However, it that's the discipline you want to follow, go for it. Just don't switch your disciplines from month to month; that's the kiss of death. Good luck! Tom
  • ThirtyNineWinks
    I just did a back test experiment and found that using a stop loss limit in this trading scheme only reduced the gains. The tighter the stop the less the system gained. I tried this with stops at 1%, 2%, ... and 30%.

    Why do people believe in stop loss orders? Is there evidence that it helps, or do you just take it on faith?

    (Details of my experiment -- I only got price and dividend information on VFINX since march 1987 (all that was available on Yahoo). I couldn't find data on equivalent ETFs going back much more than 2000, so I didn't include them. The program would make buy / sell decisions using the moving averages including the date of the decision, but the transaction price would be the next day's price. I did not give any interest benefit for being in cash. I ran the test for all moving average lengths from 10 to 600 trading days, with stop limits at about 10 different levels, from 1% to 30%.)
  • Tom Lydon
    Thanks for your comment, ThirtyNine.

    Stop losses help limit the amount an investor can lose - once a position hits 8% off the recent high, the strategy says we're out. There is no guarantee that a position won't reverse course when it's sold, but that money can now be treated as a free agent. There's no rules that states the cash has to go back to that area.
  • Navin Naik
    Execellant educational article for novice like me. Thank you for making small investors life little easier and cheaper.
  • Janell Peyton
    I found you on Seeking Alpha. Can I follow you on there? Is subscribing to the daily email bringing the same information as Seeking Alpha or the RSS Feed?

    Enjoyed this article; I need it.
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